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Monday, May 09, 2005

Why do so many of my classmates think America sucks?

You know, I never thought I would say this, but I may start agreeing with Ann Coulter's assertion that .."liberals hate America." As a guy who prides himself on being open minded to my lefty friends, they really pissed me off today. In my International Society and American Power class, taught by Prof. Green, we had a debate on whether or not American Power was in decline. Instead of sticking with the substantive arguments of other countries closing the economic and social gaps, the panel advocating the decline postition started ranting on about how shitty a country we are. In fact, during the discussion I heard the decline panel refer to America as "your country." Those four panelists are all born-in-America citizens. I thought that was kinda wierd. The panel of four smart (I am not being sarcastic) women, two of whom are the only people I have heard say that communism is great, got off topic quickly and started saying some of the following:(and I am paraphraising as best I can, since i didnt write any of these down when class was going on)
"We just go and blow people up that disagree with us."
"America is only about making money...our foreign aid doesnt help people...its just a capitalist tool"
"We need to leave people alone"
followed by... "We need to go and help people everywhere get out of poverty" and "we need to give more foreign aid"
"Terrorism will always be around, there is no end."
and lastly.....drum roll...
"America was founded on terrorism"

So pretty much, America can't do anything right
I dont understand that. Why do these people hate trying to be the best, or most powerful, or leader, or fixer of problems. Sure there are things we screw up, we are all human by the way. But we have saved the precious "heaven on earth" social democracies of Europe twice from total anihallation. We helped create democracies around the world, open our markets to everyone and rarely ask for the same in return so that others can grow. Sure, we benefit in the long run, but isnt it ok to ask others for something in return when you help them. Isn't that what friends are for? America gives the largest amount of foreign aid in the world, pays for a lot of the UN, started and finances a large part of the World Bank and IMF, and is leading a charge to give debt relief to the world's poorest, and most highly indebted countries. (which I might add is opposed by the "people first" social democracies of Western Europe)
Just because we are challenged by people who hate us, and want us to die, doesnt mean we automatically give up. "Terrorism will always be around, there is no end." Bullshit. Terrorism hasn't been around forever. Assymetrical warfare yes, but killing innocent people by blowing up cars in front of schools, no. You cant reason with those already committed to that kind of evil, you have to kill them. That's where the 101st Airborne, the US Marine Corps, Air Force f-15's and Navy Seals come in. The others in that society who are tempted to support them, or atleast not oppose them, have to be given another choice. While being sensitive to culture and soverignty is very important, that tactic hasnt worked in some regions of the world. The tactical response to 9/11 was Afghanistan, the strategic choice was to end a regime of tyranny in Iraq, and start something new. Ask the Iraqis, Afghanis, Lebanese, Egyptians, and Palestinians how they feel about their chance to give democracy a try. Oooh infact some one did:

Walid Jumballat, top Lebanese Druze politician, on Iraq; before election in Iraq, in regards to a missle attack on the Rashid Hotel in Baghdad when Wolfowitz was staying there: "We hope that next time the rockets will be more accurate and effective in getting rid of this virus, and his like, who wreak corruption in the Arab land of Iraq and in Palestine," Jumblatt said.
Last Dec. 16, Andrew Sullivan quoted Jumblatt as saying, “We are all happy when U.S. soldiers are killed [in Iraq] week in and week out. The killing of U.S. soldiers in Iraq is legitimate and obligatory.”

After the election and signs of progress: "It's strange for me to say it, but this process of change has started because of the American invasion of Iraq," explains Jumblatt. "I was cynical about Iraq. But when I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 million of them, it was the start of a new Arab world." Jumblatt says this spark of democratic revolt is spreading. "The Syrian people, the Egyptian people, all say that something is changing. The Berlin Wall has fallen. We can see it." From David Ignatius' column in the Washington Post, Wednesday, February 23, 2005

I couldn't have said it better myself


  • At 11:31 AM, Blogger Ryan S. said…

    There is a portion of liberals who absoultely hate America. They are not Democrats, whom I assume still want to improve this coutry while retaining our benign hegemony, but there our others who hate our culture, our economic system, and our way of life. They are aligned with the terrorists. They wish to bring America to its knees and cut off the heads of our leaders, whether they be George W. Bush or Nacy Pelosi. Some are anarchist, some are communist, some are socialist, some are anti-Semites, some are radical feminists, and others just want to see us fail. I do not mind "patriotic liberals," who want to improve our country, just as I do. We may disagree on how to get there, but they still love America. They are our sparring partners, our foils, our coalition partners sometimes, but Americans always, just like us. The superradicals are the ones the Democrats need to distance themselves from.

  • At 1:20 PM, Blogger spence0422 said…

    I agree fully ryan

  • At 2:11 PM, Blogger M. McKain said…

    "They are our sparring partners, our foils, our coalition partners sometimes, but Americans always, just like us."

    --Very well said Ryan; I know our debates can get heated at times with lots of rhetoric, but that really keeps things in perspective.

    I have no problem with those who critique America, holding it up to the highest standards; this, however, must be done in a positive and useful way. We hold America to higher standards precisely BECAUSE it is the greatest country on Earth, in spite of its flaws. However, there is a huge difference in doing this and launching the attacks described. While some of their claims may make for provocative thesis statements, in a debate devoid of substantial argument, they are useless and dangerous rhetorical tools that just make those who make these points seem silly.

    Just as there is danger in hyper-patriotism, there is an equal danger in going too far the opposite direction; at some point, it goes from making critical points and addressing areas that need improvement to simply bashing the country in which we all live. Unfortunately, some fail to realize that the only reason they can make these criticisms is BECAUSE they live in this country, with all of its freedoms for which so many people throughout history have died.

  • At 3:00 PM, Blogger spence0422 said…

    well said mike


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